Holder DNA Genealogy Project - Group D

Descendants of William Presley Holder, Solomon Holder and allied families

 

The D1 group in this chart is distinguished from groups D2 and D3 by the scores at marker DYS19. Since this marker is not one of those observed to mutate rapidly, we think this indicates that there are two distinct branches of these tree going back at least to the 18th century. The D2 group differs from D3 at three of the four DYS 464 loci.

 

D1a: USA: Sample 005 is from the line William Presley Holder (ca. 1780/1780 NC or TN - ca. 1830, Jefferson Co. TN) > Eppa Samuel Holder (1821-1884) Knox Co. TN to Caldwell Co. MO > James Holder (1845-1900) Ray and Caldwell Counties MO. Sample 033 has an identical pattern over 25 markers, and traces back to John Presley Holder (1813-1873). The DNA evidence supports a common ancestor born sometime in the 1700s, but we still need to establish the relationship of John Presley Holder b. 1813 to William Presley Holder b. ca. 1780.

D1b: USA: Jeptha Holder (b. 1784), Pittsylvania Co. VA and Randolph Co. NC > David Meredith Holder b. 1823 > David Michael Holder b. 1867. This sample differs from D1a only at the rapidly mutating marker DYS464a.

D1c: USA: Sample 021 is from a descendant of John Holder (d. White Co. TN 1863), thought to be a son of Davis Holder of Pittsylvania Co. VA. This sample has 15 at DYS19, placing it in the D1 group, but differs from all the other D group samples by having 13 rather than 12 at the rapidly changing DYS439 marker. Sample 035 matches this one at all but marker 442 (see markers 26-37 at the bottom of the page). We don't yet know precisely how these two submitters are related.

D1d: Sample 024, also with a White Co. TN association, has two differences from 021 in rapidly changing markers. We need more samples to determine how far back these differences go.

D1e: USA: Gabriel Holder m. Rhoda Reed> Laban Rice Holder m. Armilda Lair > Jeremiah C. Holder m. Mary Ann Kelsey. This sample differs from the consensus D1 pattern only in the rapidly changing DYS464 markers.

 

 

Based on new results, we are currently reanalyzing the D2 group. These samples differ only in rapidly changing markers, and it appears that some of these changes occurred recently, probably in the 19th or even the 20th century. The division into two sets based on 16 vs 20 at of the DYS 464 markers may be a somewhat older change, perhaps in the 18th century, but both sets have samples thought to trace back to Solomon Holder, whose children were born beginning in the 1790s, so this assumption may not be valid.

Geographically the D2 samples divide into a Kentucky cluster and a cluster associated especially with Jackson Co., Alabama and Franklin Co., Tennessee (which are adjacent to each other), but neither location seems to be exclusive to a particular group of Holder families. Sample 054 traces back to northern Louisiana. The likely progenitors include:

    Col. John Holder (1744-1799) of Boonesboro KY

    John Holder (ca. 1749-1830) and Agnes Bledsoe of Virginia, who have descendants in Jackson Co. AL and in Franklin Co. TN

    Solomon Holder (ca. 1774-1849) of South Carolina and later Franklin Co. TN
    There seems to be no solid evidence as to who his parents were.

    Based on the DNA analysis alone, we have divided the samples into three groups, but these don't correlate well with the geographic locations or the earliest known ancestor.

    Sample 040 matches D2 over the first 12 markers, but will need to test markers 13-25 to confirm whether he is D2 or D3.

 

D3: USA: Bennett Holder, born 1805, South Carolina; 1820 Franklin Co. Tennessee; 1830 and 1840 Jackson Co. Alabama; 1850 McNairy Co. TN; 1850 through 1886 Lawrence County, Arkansas. Thomas Holder, born 1828 Jackson Co. AL, McNairy Co. TN, Lawrence Co. AR. died 1899; William J. Holder, born 1860, died 1899, Lawrence Co. AR.

Based on location, this sample could belong to group D2, but the DYS464 markers flag it as possibly distinct.

 

D4: USA: Dempsey Holder of Wilkes Co. NC
This sample differs enough from groups D1, D2 and D3 to warrant preliminary classification as a separate category. The differences from the other D family samples are in rapidly changing markers, however, so it is still possible that this family shares a common ancestor with one or more of these other families on this side of the Atlantic.

 

The D group belongs to Haplogroup R1b1b2.
 

 
 
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10 
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25

ID#

Group

DYS
393

DYS
390

DYS
19

DYS
391

 DYS
385a		 DYS
385b

DYS
426

DYS
388

 DYS
439

DYS
389-1

DYS
392

DYS
389-2

 DYS
458		 DYS
459a		 DYS
459b

DYS
455

DYS
454

DYS
447

DYS
437

DYS
448

 DYS
449		 DYS
464a		 DYS
464b		 DYS
464c

DYS
464d

005

D1a

13

23

15

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

16

033

D1a

13

23

15

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

16

018

D1b

13

23

15

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

14

16

16

16

021

D1c

13

23

15

11

11

14

12

12

13

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

16

035

D1c

13

23

15

11

11

14

12

12

13

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

16

024

D1d

13

23

15

11

11

14

12

12

13

14

13

29

15

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

019

D1e

13

23

15

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

15

16

16

 

008

D2a

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

16

009

D2a

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

16

029

D2a

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

13

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

16

037

D2b

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

045

D2b

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

047

D2b

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

054

D2b

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

055

D2b

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

022

D2c

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

046

D2c

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

050

D2c

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

17

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

16

16

20

 
 

040

D2?

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

012

D3

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

14

13

29

16

9

10

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

17

17

20

 

023

D4

13

23

14

11

11

14

12

12

13

14

13

29

16

9

9

11

11

24

15

19

29

15

15

16

16

 

Sample 050 has six copies of DYS 464 rather than the usual four. Family Tree DNA enumerates these as a-f in order of ascending values: 15, 15, 16, 16, 16, 20. This results in only two matches out of four with the other D2 samples (15, 16, 16, 20). However, if it is assumed that two sets were duplicated, one of which was a 15 and the other a 16-copy set, then the results can be interpreted as a perfect match. We don't know whether this is what really occurred, however.

Markers 26 through 37 have been tested on the following samples. So far these results aren't very informative, but additional samples may show when the ones marked in bold diverged from the others.

 
 
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37

ID#

Group

DYS
460

GATA
H4

YCA
IIa

YCA
IIb

 DYS
456

DYS
607

 DYS
576		 DYS
570		 CDY
  a		 CDY
  b

DYS
442

DYS
438

005

D1a

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

033

D1a

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

021

D1c

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

035

D1c

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

12

12

008

D2a

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

009

D2a

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

029

D2a

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

037

D2b

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

045

D2b

10

11

19

23

16

15

18

17

37

38

13

12

047

D2b

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

054

D2b

10

11

19

23

15

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

055

D2b

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

046

D2c

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

36

38

13

12

050

D2c

10

11

19

24

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

023

D4

10

11

19

23

16

15

17

17

37

38

13

12

 

 

 

Markers 38 through 67 have been tested on the following samples.

 
 
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47

ID#

Group

DYS
531

DYS
578

DYS
395
S1a

DYS
395
S1b

DYS
590

DYS
537

DYS
641

DYS
472

DYS
406
S1

DYS
511

005

D1a

11

9

15

16

8

10

10

8

10

10

008

D2a

11

9

15

16

8

10

10

8

10

10

037

D2b

11

9

15

16

8

10

10

8

10

10
 

 
 
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60

ID#

Group

DYS
425

DYS
413a

DYS
413b

DYS
557

DYS
594

DYS
436

DYS
490

DYS
534

DYS
450

DYS
444

DYS
481

DYS
520

DYS
446

005

D1a

12

23

23

16

10

12

12

15

8

12

22

20

13

008

D2a

12

23

23

16

10

12

12

15

8

12

22

20

13

037

D2b

12

23

23

16

10

12

12

15

8

12

22

20

13
 

 
 
61
62
63
64
65
66
67

ID#

Group

DYS
617

DYS
568

DYS
487

DYS
572

DYS
640

DYS
492

DYS
565

005

D1a

12

11

13

11

11

14

12

008

D2a

12

11

13

11

11

14

12

037

D2b

12

11

13

11

11

14

12
 

 

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